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		<title>Comment on Curious&#8230; by Chris</title>
		<link>http://luehrmann.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/curious/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.  Thanks for pointing to it</description>
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		<title>Comment on Berkhof on sacraments by Chris</title>
		<link>http://luehrmann.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/berkhof-on-sacraments/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was being a bit facetious  - sorry.  I know there is a big difference with the RC position.  However I still draw back a bit from the idea of &quot;sacraments&quot; just because of the associations of the word with sacramentalism etc.    

I&#039;m also not that keen on the expression &quot;means&quot; of grace -  it still seems to imply that these are conduits through which &quot;grace&quot; is transmitted.   I think I prefer the  idea that I read once of these practices (ordinances? )being &quot;means of growth&quot; perhaps.

In his Summary of Christian Doctrine Berkhoff  defines a sacrament as &quot;...a holy ordinance instituted by Christ, in which by sensible signs the grace of God in Christ is represented, sealed, and applied to believer, and they, in turn express their faith and obedience to God.&quot;   I am ok with the representation bit but when it comes to sealing and application I wonder.  Even if he says that they need faith to be effective he still seems to be putting some power, some effect in the sacraments themselves.

I&#039;m nitpicking - lots of Berkhof&#039;s stuff is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was being a bit facetious  &#8211; sorry.  I know there is a big difference with the RC position.  However I still draw back a bit from the idea of &#8220;sacraments&#8221; just because of the associations of the word with sacramentalism etc.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not that keen on the expression &#8220;means&#8221; of grace &#8211;  it still seems to imply that these are conduits through which &#8220;grace&#8221; is transmitted.   I think I prefer the  idea that I read once of these practices (ordinances? )being &#8220;means of growth&#8221; perhaps.</p>
<p>In his Summary of Christian Doctrine Berkhoff  defines a sacrament as &#8220;&#8230;a holy ordinance instituted by Christ, in which by sensible signs the grace of God in Christ is represented, sealed, and applied to believer, and they, in turn express their faith and obedience to God.&#8221;   I am ok with the representation bit but when it comes to sealing and application I wonder.  Even if he says that they need faith to be effective he still seems to be putting some power, some effect in the sacraments themselves.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m nitpicking &#8211; lots of Berkhof&#8217;s stuff is great.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Berkhof on sacraments by luehrmann</title>
		<link>http://luehrmann.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/berkhof-on-sacraments/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>luehrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Berkhof would be miles apart from RC. They might both baptise babies, but how each would explain what happens would be quite different. Which lands back at, to me at least, the position seeming hopelessly inconsistent. I agree, grace is not a substance to pass out like your allowance. But, as we think about different means of grace, they all bring us into fellowship/communion with Christ, who is full of grace. God gives grace (to the humble at least), but we cannot separate grace from the one in whom it comes, the Lord Jesus Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berkhof would be miles apart from RC. They might both baptise babies, but how each would explain what happens would be quite different. Which lands back at, to me at least, the position seeming hopelessly inconsistent. I agree, grace is not a substance to pass out like your allowance. But, as we think about different means of grace, they all bring us into fellowship/communion with Christ, who is full of grace. God gives grace (to the humble at least), but we cannot separate grace from the one in whom it comes, the Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Berkhof on sacraments by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that he can say that and still defend baby baptism.  His defence of baby baptism in his Systematic Theology doesn&#039;t hold water to me  (pardon the pun).  He just isn&#039;t consistent.

Then again I&#039;ve never liked the word &quot;sacrament&quot; - too many connotations of something that transmits &quot;grace&quot; in someway as if grace is a substance or a power rather than an attitude of God towards us.  All the &quot;means of grace&quot; discussion in Berkhof leaves me trying to work out how he really differs from roman catholicism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that he can say that and still defend baby baptism.  His defence of baby baptism in his Systematic Theology doesn&#8217;t hold water to me  (pardon the pun).  He just isn&#8217;t consistent.</p>
<p>Then again I&#8217;ve never liked the word &#8220;sacrament&#8221; &#8211; too many connotations of something that transmits &#8220;grace&#8221; in someway as if grace is a substance or a power rather than an attitude of God towards us.  All the &#8220;means of grace&#8221; discussion in Berkhof leaves me trying to work out how he really differs from roman catholicism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pills aren&#8217;t the answer by Chris</title>
		<link>http://luehrmann.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/pills-arent-the-answer/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might enjoy Malcolm Bowden&#039;s stuff on Biblical counselling:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/malcolmbowden/indexx.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might enjoy Malcolm Bowden&#8217;s stuff on Biblical counselling:</p>
<p><a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/malcolmbowden/indexx.htm" rel="nofollow">http://homepage.ntlworld.com/malcolmbowden/indexx.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fingers of God by Chris</title>
		<link>http://luehrmann.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/the-fingers-of-god/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beautiful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beautiful</p>
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		<title>Comment on Travel with John Calvin by Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm....This book would have made the 04 Reformation Tour a bit easier!

 We could always go back to Egypt someday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.This book would have made the 04 Reformation Tour a bit easier!</p>
<p> We could always go back to Egypt someday!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What are you? by Chris</title>
		<link>http://luehrmann.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/what-are-you/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So did you choose to be revered?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So did you choose to be revered?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What are you? by Donna Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great belly laugh!!!  I think &quot;Field Marshall Lord&quot; would be appropriate as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great belly laugh!!!  I think &#8220;Field Marshall Lord&#8221; would be appropriate as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What are you? by luehrmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>luehrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well spotted!</description>
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